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Thunderthighs To The Rescue

You’re probably wondering how this is going to end.

A few days ago I found something on the Internet that intrigued me. It was on a site called Bikely.com. The site is a route bank for cyclists; you can register and upload your route for others to benefit from. Presumably most people are able to do this quite quickly if they carry a GPS device. ‘Thunderthighs‘ is a prolific uploader of routes, far more than he could have ever cycled himself (although if this is the case, I apologise to him). Not sure why I assume he is indeed a he. Thunderthighs implies, if anything, a female, no? Anyway, let’s assume that he is a he.

Have a look at the route below; does it look familiar? Well it should as it is the route that I cycled in the first couple of weeks of my trip along the Eurovelo 5 in summer 2010 and upon which the book, Good Vibrations is based. One thing that I regretted not doing when I cycled from Reading to Brindisi was to keep an accurate track of my route. It would not have been a difficult job. I did, of course, have the SPOT tracker strapped to the back of Reggie which recorded my position every 10 minutes and which beamed my position to a website, but it never showed the twists and turns of my route. When I arrived in Strasbourg, I made a point of storing the route that had been created – you can still see it here – but once I headed south along the Rhine, I never found the time to record the route before it disappeared from the server. It’s not the most accurate of route maps however; it’s a very angular path as it joins the dots of the 10-minute signal emitted from the SPOT tracker.

The map above however is much more accurate. I can only assume that Thunderthighs has gone through my book and made a point of noting all the places through which I cycled & where I stayed overnight. If you hover over Luxembourg on the first map (the route to Strasbourg is split into two with Luxembourg being at the end of the first route and the start of the second), the bubble that appears tells you that I stopped in Place Guillaume II. The second route tells you that I started from the 4th floor of the Hotel Parc! Perhaps the word ‘accurate’ is not the best one to use; there are points where I remember taking a slightly different road from the route produced by Thunderthighs but that is by no means a criticism of what he has done. It is wonderful! Whoever you are, Thunderthighs, you have done me a great favour as I can now direct people in the direction of Bikely.com when, as they often do, they ask for my detailed route. I am genuinely impressed. Let’s hope that he also takes the time to map the route from Strasbourg all the way to Brindisi; I’ll keep you posted about whether he does. The links to the two routes that he has done are as follows;

Canterbury to Luxembourg

Luxembourg to Strasbourg

Rome To Home

My pan-European cycle continues to generate a fair bit of interest. Andrew from Leicestershire writes;

A friend and myself are planning to cycle from Rome to home (Leicestershire) next year for the Loros charity.

I was wondering if you could send me the exact route you took (plus any changes you would have made to it!) plus anything else you thnk could be of help to us. I realise that is probably a very open ended question…. Really hope you can help out as i am finding getting info on the Eurovelo 5 quite tricky and whilst I have tried to plot a route through the Michelin route planner it would be great to hear from someone who has actually done it!!

I hope you have recovered OK

I have replied;

I spent two years trawling the Internet for information about the Eurovelo 5 and what there is out there is probably referenced somewhere on my website. You are correct that it is pretty scant and most people who have cycled from the UK to Italy (like me) or the other way around (like you) have just made it up as they went along. I think when I started out planning the trip I intended planning every turn but in the end I’m glad I didn’t. I had a list of towns and cities along the route, bought some 1:200,000 Michelin maps to cover the entire stretch from Reading to Brindisi (I cut them down to size and threw them away as I cycled across Europe), and made it up as I went along. Usually the route was fairly obvious and in some places I was able to follow other cycle routes upon which the Eurovelo 5 piggy backs (there are no signs yet for the EV5 ) such as the Rhine Cycle Route and then route number 3 across Switzerland. In other places, I just looked at where I was in the morning, where I needed to be in the afternoon / evening and just planned a route on a day-by-day basis. That worked out well and gave me flexibility to make decisions based upon local conditions & recommendations from people I met. The bit of the route that I would probably do differently if I were to do the whole thing again would be northern France. The official EV5 route goes via Brussels and then through southern Belgium. I decided to chop this bit off (I had been to Brussels before and wanted to make good progress in those early days) so cut the corner to just go through France instead. That bit of France is nothing special and I think I would have been better following the route itself and going through Belgium. The rest I would do just as I did it in the summer!

Map Art Installation

Removing the excess parts of the eleven 1:200,000 maps that cover the entire length of the Eurovelo 5 route allows me to create a (temporary) addition to the living room…. There is a gap between the Saint Gotthard Pass and the Swiss-Italian border; not the place to get to the bottom of a hill and then realise you’ve gone the wrong way!

The Rough Guide to the Eurovelo 5…

…hasn’t been written yet. So it’s a good job that the Rough Guides to France, Switzerland and Italy were on sale at Waterstones today; three for the price of two. I am about to surgically remove the sections with the red circles. Not yet sure if it is possible or indeed worth it (for Italy). I don’t like destroying brand new books….

Cannibalisation of Maps

The Internet is great… for lots of things. But one thing it doesn’t do well is lingering over big things. That’s why, although you can see almost any piece of art you may wish to see within a few seconds by tapping its name into Google image search, galleries are still full of people looking at the very same objects. And they always will. Whatever imagery software may develop in the years to come, I would lay money on the fact you will still have to queue up to see the 2020 exhibition of Monet at the Royal Academy. And that is why I am a little frustrated when trying to put the detail into my itinerary as I don’t have a map of the whole thing in sufficient detail to linger over. I can’t instantaneously compare the distance from Reading to London (which I know very well) with the distance from Como to Milan (which I don’t). Until now that is…

I have just cannibalised an AA map of Western Europe (with a bizarre scale of 1:1,706,000) so that I have an overview map of the whole journey from Reading to Brindisi which also has sufficient detail to allow me to pinpoint places to stay in between the places identified by the Eurovelo 5 description. Some portions of my journey were on the reverse side of the map so some cunning cutting and sticking was required.  It cost me £4.99 and it does feel like sacrilege to take scissors to a map (a bit like burning books, or rather just singing them as I suppose I’m still using the map, or some of it) but well worth the crime. Cartographers the World over will be tutting if they read this….

Sorry Mr Turner; your framed poster has been relegated to the floor so that my new composite map has a home until the end of August.

A Route from Oxford to Milan?

It’s been a few weeks since anyone new has been in contact with me who is in some way interested in the cycling to Italy project so I am delighted to have been emailed by a guy called Neil Shirley who is planning on cycling from Oxford to Milan (if you Google the name Neil Shirley incidentally, up pops a professional cyclist from North America – I think this is a different person!). Neil (from Oxford that is) writes in blue, I respond in black;
Hi Andrew
I have recently been made redundant and have decided that I am going to take the opportunity to complete a personal challenge.  I live in Oxford and my wife is Italian from Milan, so I have decided to cycle from Oxford to Milan.  I think it is roughly around 1100 miles or so and I have 3 weeks to do it, so I am hoping I will be fine! Yes, this sounds about enough time to do Oxford to Milan; my own tentative itinerary puts me in Milan at the end of day 20 and Oxford is only half a day away from Reading.
I have been researching a route to take and I must explain that I am not a cyclist, I rode a bike as a kid and I have now decided to embark on this challenge and was looking through Google and ended at the Eurovelo 5.  It sounds great but I have been unable to find any detailed information and ended up looking at your website, which appears to have the most information on this route. What I am looking for is a detailed route and wondered if a) there was such a thing and if so where I can get it from and b) if not, some advice about how you have planned the route you are going to take in July. I must stress, I am a complete novice, so I am looking to find a route that will allow someone like me to go on and provide plenty of places along the way to stop and more importantly a route that isn’t going to take me on to an autostrada somewhere in France!  The more detail the better.  If it doesn’t exist then that’s fine, but any advice on how you planned your route would be most welcome. I’m not that far away from being a novice myself. I’m not that far away from being a novice myself although I am making good progress! It may sound immodest but this site has become a leading source of information about the route of the Eurovelo 5. However, I have yet to find a definitive route to follow and am increasingly thinking that this is no bad thing. The Eurovelo network will one day no doubt be mapped and even way-marked in all its detail. Some of the routes, for example the Eurovelo 6 which runs from the French Atlantic Coast to the Black Sea, have already had this treatment and benefit as a result with websites, detailed maps and increased numbers of cyclists as a result. The Eurovelo 5 is still in Cinderella land however. Although initially I did find this a little frustrating, I have grown to like the idea of being a small-time pioneer of the route. There is a very general description which has been written by the ECF (European Cyclists Federation) and which is reprinted on the route section of this website. You can see that for much of the route, it piggy-backs upon regional and national cycle networks so, if you are looking for anything that has been pre-routed, this will be your best avenue for research. What I will be doing is really making up my own route but visiting the towns and cities that are mentioned in the Eurovelo description. Much of this will be done in advance (you may have noticed that in my list of top ten things to do over my two-week Easter holiday , number 4 is to knuckle down and have a detailed route plan in place), but I will be leaving a certain amount of flexibility in my route that will only be decided when I hit the ground in July. I would like to know where I am going to stay each evening (and the reassurance that there is somewhere to camp each night) and have some idea of the places I will pass en route, but I am happy in my own sense of direction not to have an excessively detailed map in front of me. This will probably mean me using occasional cycle routes but more often B roads or the like. On the Via Michelin route website you will notice a button called “cycling”. I’ll be using this over the next couple of weeks quite a lot.
Any help or advice would be very much appreciated and I would like to take the opportunity to wish you all the best on your trip.  Sorry if you feel this is a little cheeky and do please feel free to ignore. Cheeky? Not at all! I don’t do ignore :) Delighted to be of help. Make sure you stay in touch and keep me updated with your plans. When are you planning to cycle the route?
Hears in hope.
Kind regards
Neil Shirley
Oxford

The Long and (Slightly) Winding Road

Google Earth does give interesting perspectives on the Eurovelo 5 route. By clicking on this link and then selecting “View in Google Earth” you too can have a middle-of-the-night play, just like I’m doing now…. 

Map Questions

Michael Musto, dragging himself away from the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, has contacted me with some questions about maps:
Have you seen examples of the Michelin maps? Yes, I’ve bought the full set that I need to get from my home town all the way to Brindisi. The scale is 1:200,000 although the “look” of the maps does change a little as you move from the north of the Alps to the south of the Alps and into Italy. 1:200,000 seems to be a good compromise between sufficient detail and portability! Do they also have elevation profiles for some of the roads? No, there are no elevation profiles of particular roads. Try and visit a site like www.sanoodi.com to make your own profile. I did find another site that produces bespoke profiles but I can’t find the post where I talked about it on this blog!! Let me know if you have more luck. Are the road maps overlaid with topographical  contours? Yes, kind of. They are not quite contoured with lines but they are shaded to show the elevation of the land - see the scans of the two styles of map. The one on the left is the “northern” style of Michelin map (showing part of Switzerland – Interlaken and the valley leading up to the Jung Frau mountain – which is not on my route). The one on the right is the “southern” style of Michelin map (which does cover part of my route coming down through the Alps into Italy via Como). Hope this helps. If you click on the pictures, you should get a good, detailed image of what each style of map is like.
Michael goes on to mention the Touring Club of Italy maps which can be purchased via www.touringclub.com/store/ . I don’t really have any information about these maps but perhaps someone else out there does – please comment.
I’ll leave the rest of the post in Michael’s own words;
Carsten Hoefer, a fellow “Crazy Guy on A Bike” travelled through part of Italy’s interior. He appears to be a strong rider by riding 120 to 195 km per day (compared to me of course). His journal and others I have read seem to indicated in general that the roads that follow rivers and/or valleys tend to be heavy with traffic. The secondary roads are less travelled but seem to include a lot of climbing, apparently fun on hot days. The common theme about secondary road (harder?) routes is you see interesting places not “touristed to death”.
Thanks for this Michael. Keep reading the blog!

The final final piece of the map jigsaw

I haven’t made an error in the title. It is the final final piece of the map jigsaw. I wrote here about having bought the final map which covered the heel of Italy. I glossed over the fact that I was ignoring the journey from Reading to Dover by saying that I would follow the National Cycle Network route number 1 after having got to London on the number 4. In addition, when I had looked before, the maps of the south-east corner of England were all either 1:400,000 or 1:250,000 or 1;50,000. None of the mapping companies seemed to go with the Michelin “regional” map standard of 1:200,000. Not even Michelin themselves! I didn’t really want to get into the habit of following a map for the first two or three days that was on a completely different scale to the rest of the trip. Anyway, back in Waterstones today, I did find a 1:200,000 map of the south-east of England, from the AA. So now I really do have a complete set of maps for the journey, until I decide that I need another one of course…There is after all the problem of that slight gap in Switzerland….

Advice on…almost everything

Iain Harper has contacted me via the Bike Radar forum I mentioned yesterday. There is some really useful practical advice in his email and it is worth the read. As the list of “tags” at the end shows, he manages to pack in a whole host of different topics;

I’ve just had a quick look round you blog following your bike radar post.
I’m planning Rome to UK via Aosta and the round the Rhine cycle route into Germany and then crossing over to France for a week or maybe bit less.  I have a mate in Rome to get started, another in Aosta (waiting for tips on crossing the Alps there), another in the Rheinfelden and then on my own until Calais.  Probably camping most of the way with as minimal kit as possible (no cooking just eat out of eat cold stuff from shops).  I’ve got a Vango Tempest 200 but half thinking of getting a lighter expedition tent (not sure depends how much I can get one for).  I’m also looking into bikes but don’t know what to do.  Need to see them in the flesh.  One complication is my Specialized Hybrid Sirrus.  I used it in the past for touring and the frame broke recently and I got a new frame (Expert frame with carbon stays and fork), moved running gear over got some new stuff (hand built wheels strong 36 spoke for touring, chain set, stem, bars, cassette…).  So now it is like a brand new bike but not sure if I’d rather sell it and get a tourer or try it for touring with a new rack?  I stuck a stem which is adjustable on it so can vary the riding position quite a bit.  Just don’t know.  Don’t want to get a 14Kg tourer to replace a 10kg absolutely fine bike which I can use for touring. Anyway that is my problem so I’ll follow your decision making process.
On your route I see you have a Google route.  Don’t know how accurate that is but I have a couple of basic thoughts and I’ll let you see what I plan as I do it (if you want).  I live in Deal so I’d recommend from Canterbury to travel straight to Dover, there is a cycle route which is hillier than the route from Canterbury via Sandwich and Deal but only small rolling hills.  It goes along the side of the A2 but far enough away you don’t see or hear it.  There are a few campsites but think they are all Camping Club ones (there is a cheap one at Sutton which isn’t far away from Dover or Deal and absolutely fine but you may prefer one on your route to Dover to save doubling back on yourself).  Calais to Lille is about 65 miles and I’m planning to do that when better weather and longer days come and get the TGV back to Calais to get home on ferry in the one day.  I’ll let you know the route if you want.  One tip take loads of care cycling around the ports – these sections of roads must be the most dangerous around!  No one looking where they are going other than directly to the ferry.
Anyway keep blogging as your planning and progress moves on, I’ll keep an eye out.  If you want any opinions or ideas about Kent or the first part around Calais let me know.
Iain
P.S. check this website out:
www.tra-velo-gue.co.uk . His Italy routes may be of interest.  He was hit by a car there and told me in a e-mail the drivers in Italy are the worst he has ever come accross and you’ll see he has cycles quite a bit of it.  I have his routes in a MS map format if you want them.
The interactive map on this website is immense.  Great details about campsites etc.

And in planning my route I like to get a large map and break it down into days roughly by distance and expected terrain then work out sections in more detail.  Helps me visualise it better and is good for a first cut and planning other possible detours.