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“Can anyone recommend good GPS tracking software?”

I put the question above on Lonely Planet’s Thorn Tree forum (nope, me neither if you are asking the obvious question!). I quote myself;

I’m planning to cycle from the UK to Italy this summer along the route of the Eurovelo 5. However, the route is very aspirational and is not yet mapped. After having completed my journey, I’d like to see where I have been, perhaps even link my “track” to my blog / website while I’m actually travelling. Can anyone recommenced good tracking software that works with a compatible GPS device? Ideally something that I can switch on when I leave the UK and forget about until I reach Brindisi….

This is a subject I have mentioned on here before and various systems, software, websites have been suggested but they all seem to rely on a mobile phone. However, I have received a couple of interesting posts in response to the question on the Thorn Tree. First up is ”Stromaroma”. His / her first line is straight from a Carry On film;

I got a Spot Messenger for my upcoming kayak trip up the Inside Passage. I got it mostly for search and rescue if I get into trouble, I just press a button and they come get me. It also has an OK feature where you press a different button and it puts your location on a google map for anyone to see. I plan to do this every night. There is also a “track” feature which will plot your position every 10 minutes for 24 hours. They seem good, although their website is a little hard to follow and seems kind of commercialized, when all you want is to just get the information you need rather than being given a constant sales pitch. You buy the GPS unit where you live, then sign on for a service plan. The price seems reasonable for what you are getting.

Secondly there is a response from the modestly named “Aphroditeabbie” (who lists one of her interests as “having fun”; no wonder her family wanted to keep a track on her)

I have just got back from a gap year trip and I carried a GPS tracker so my family could watch my travel at home on a mapping site. But mainly because it had an SOS alert button in case I got lost or into trouble. A member of my family got it for me from gapyeartrackers.com . It recorded my journey.

I’ll investigate both and report back. I could always get an ASBO, be tagged and break the curfew on the 18th July; the probation service might not bother to follow me….

The sora gruppo with deore rear mech

Jim, my kind-of relation in Cumbria writes and adds to the bike and GPS tracking debates;

Hello again Andrew 

Been a while since I last visited your site and you seem to have been very busy! Couple of things.  

The Ridgeback Panorama. I have had the model down from that (the Voyage, steel 520 Reynolds, 8 speed sora) and have done about 7000 miles in 20 months on it as my cycle to work/ hack/ winter bike. Only bad bit has been the wheels. Rims are a bit soft and spokes break on the rear drive side. The sora gruppo with deore rear mech has been bombproof. It is comfortable and shares geometry with the Panorama but not in the same exotic steel. I have found the 8 speed set up O.K. and less trouble than 9 or 10. which was an initial worry as my others are 9 and 10 speed. As always with a bike if you can try before you buy. Mine could probably do with a shorter stem…. It has been my first proper tourer. Like you, hybrids worked well for touring, and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another one.  

GPS. Love hate. Nokia sports tracker! Love, love, hate, love , piece of sh…….t, love. Bloody unreliable. maps. If you lose one it’s a bitch.  

Went to see Alistair Humphrys last week. Read his stuff if you haven’t already…..  

 Best of luck.  

 Jim

Thanks for that Jim. Very useful…..although I haven’t got a clue what a “sora gruppo with deore rear mech” is. I suppose that is why Google was invented. [Pause for an Internet search.] Which gives me this nice picture. Something to do with the mechanism that moves the chain from the little cogs to the big cogs? God! That is horribly untechnical. I need to buy a bike repair manual. Jim: please comment below and put me out of my misery!!

 

Long-distance cycling with a folding bike

George Jemmott adds some useful comments to the GPS tracking and mapping strand of thought;

Re: sanoodi, I prefer bikely.com at the moment. It’s more bike-centric, and doesn’t have such a focus on GPS-enabled phone/computers (of which I don’t have one)

…and then goes on to explain his reasoning as to why he uses a folding bike for his travels;

The bike is a “Pocket Sport” from Bike Friday. I got it because I really liked the multi-modal transportation idea – being able to take my bike on trains, planes, boats, taxis, buses, etc. Specifically, I pull my duffel bag (or in this case, backpacking backpack) out of the suitcase, fold up the bicycle, and put the bicycle in the suitcase. The result is local transportation in one hand and all my camping gear in the other.

Given that idea, Bike Friday came super highly recommended (as does Brompton in England) for long-distance touring. People do self-supported tours around South-East Asia, Africa, South America, etc. Bike Friday’s cheapest model with 20+ speeds that seemed fit for the task was the Pocket Sport.

I’ve really enjoyed it, especially when it buys me advantages like being able to go on the metro during the day in Milano with my bicycle, or being able to take a night train from Dresden to Zürich or Milano to Berlin (neither of which allowed bicycles… but if it’s in a suitcase, how are they to know?). If I were to choose all over again, I’d probably get one with a folding seat mast and handle-bar mast if possible, as it’s kind of annoying to either have them sticking out full-length or have to pull them out.

Anyway, unless you plan to check your bike on a bunch of airplanes and whatnot, it’s probably not worth the extra expense to get one of the folders.

George

ps – the modified Samsonite suitcase is sold by a company that is closely tied to Bike Friday. I have been a bit disappointed in the quality, especially given a wheels-falling-off problem and a yoke-tearing problem which cost me a few days of my vacation in Budapest.

I think I’ll be sticking to the Ridgeback Panorama with some panniers. :)

I love Sanoodi!

This is a truly amazing piece of software. It’s the kind of thing that makes you wonder how people occupied their time before the invention of the Internet, GPS, GPRS etc… Just what did people do? I have spent the last two hours delighting in having mapped my first adventure via satellite. This does not happen every day and I will be telling everyone who I meet in the next week or so about it so if you are planning to see me soon, be prepared to suppress a few yawns. For those of you who I won’t be seeing, I’ll write about it here instead.

The map says it all (the original one is on my new Sanoodi profile here). It was a big adventure as you can see, dodging the dive-bombing Canadian geese by the canal, risking my life sneaking past the criminals of Reading prison, fighting through the rush hour of pedestrians as they escaped their offices for a bite to eat and then suffering the scorn of the woman at the automated checkout who repeatedly told me about my unauthorised items in the bagging area. My pain and Boursin in tact (I’m not joking here – Boursin is on offer at only £1; that’s a 92 pence saving!), I made a hasty retreat back to the flat just before the rain started. Quite a series of epic dramas as you can imagine.

And all of it is now mapped for posterity. As it said in the downloadable instructions from the Sanoodi website, it did take quite a few moments for the GPS signal to be registered but once it was, I just walked into town and back. Initially I had the phone in my hand but after a few minutes put it in my pocket. That doesn’t seem to have affected the mapping process. Sainsbury’s in Broad Street, Reading is one of those long, thin shops where you can never get a phone signal let alone a GPS signal at the back and you can see on the map how there is simply a line from where I entered at the back of the building to where I reappeared on the other end. My supermarket meanderings are hidden from view. The return trip seems a little bit less accurately mapped than my trip into town – notice the kink on the lower blue line. A piece of space junk crashing into the satellite? The enlarged section in the bottom corner is just to show how accurate the system is; my actual route is in green, the Sanoodi track in blue. Stop! What am I complaining about? We are talking a few metres, perhaps ten at the very most. On a cycle from Reading to Brindisi, the least of my worries will be being off course by ten metres.

The Flickr photos add a bit of on-ground reality to the spy in the sky. Presumably most of them were taken in the recent spell of snowy weather.

The whole thing is bloody amazing. I have a few questions that still need answering for example how heavy is the GPS on the battery life of the phone, when does the signal get sent via the mobile phone network (continuously or just at the end of the journey; if the former then it could cost a fortune on the continent) and what happens when the break in the GPS signal is more than for just a short shopping trip in Sainsbury’s? Do the people who use the system for their round the World adventures just leave it on all the time? I’ll use it again on Wednesday when I go down to London and that might answer a few of my questions. This really is fun!

Sanoodi Mapping

I’ve mentioned Sanoodi Mapping before – read the previous post here. I’ve just revisited the site, created my own page and produced the map and profile that you can see in the picture for my commute to work. It’s impressive stuff! Click here to visit the webpage itself. The profile of the route is fascinating (albeit a bit squashed – the roads aren’t that steep along the Berkshire-Oxfordshire border!). The route was easy to set up – just a matter of clicking along the map with the mouse. And I love the link to Flickr which shows pictures actually taken in the area of the map.

A word of warning: the site didn’t work well in Internet Explorer so I had to set up the whole thing using Apple’s Safari browser. In addition, there is an “embed” button but I haven’t yet managed to embed anything apart from the HTTP code into this blog (it wouldn’t work in Blogger either so I suspect an issue with Sanoodi’s code rather than WordPress)

The next step would be to start mobile mapping with Sanoodi. You can see how this would work for me en route to Italy if you visit Oli Broom’s Cycling to the Ashes website. He carries with him a compatible GPS device and the map is created by Sanoodi which in turn is embedded on his website. Sanoodi lists compatible platforms as Nokia S-60, Windows Mobile, Apple i-Phone & Blackberry. Initially I thought that this referred to devices and not the software that runs on them. Now that I have corrected myself, I need to find out whether my Nokia N96 is compatible with Sanoodi. It certainly has a GPS function so let’s hope so. Then all I would have to worry about is the embedding bit…

Competition!

I believe in competition; it gives people an opportunity to benchmark what they do and try and make improvements. It sometimes gets bad press when it encroaches on things like health care or education, but I am generally very supportive to the whole concept of the chase. It’s just a great pity that I am not one of life’s born competitors.

In this light, it is good to welcome what looks like a quality Eurovelo 5 blog; George Jemmott has moved over to WordPress and has created a potential rival to Puglia 2010. This is a good thing!

If this were the real world of course, George’s attitude to business would no doubt attract the ire of the Competition Commission in the UK as he has emailed me with details of his new venture (neither of us charge for our services to the Eurovelo 5 community but this kind of activity can only lead to price fixing in the future). He writes;

“…I wanted to let you know about my recent progress.  I finally started putting stuff up on the net.  Check out eurovelo5.georgejemmott.com ….I’m working on the section of road between Switzerland and Milano.  I’m calling it “The Ticino-Milano problem,” and have a page dedicated to it on my site.  Hopefully I’ll get it resolved fairly soon.”

As you might guess from George’s style, he takes a more scientific view to the route than me. He is a GPS enthusiast and is undertaking some extremely valuable work mapping the route of the Eurovelo 5 from Milan to Calais. As he says, “The Ticino-Milano problem” is currently on his mind and I will be following carefully his findings; he lives in Milan and is thus in a perfect position to investigate whether it is better to take a westerly route from the Swiss border to Milan along the shores of Lake Maggiore or a more direct route via Como.

Interesting that he has chosen to use WordPress as well for his blog. It is certainly Rolls-Royce blogging software compared to the clunky Blogger system.

Competition? Bring it on :)

Sanoodi Mapping

I need to remember this: Sanoodi mapping. It is a way of recording your route, en route and showing it live via the Internet. Oli Broom (Cycling to the Ashes) appears to use it (although it is credited on the map on his site with two other companies: ESRI(UK) and OpenStreetMap). It works, I think, via a compatible GPS phone (which I don’t have: i-Phone, Nokia S60, Blackberry…). Not sure how Mark Beaumont does his map, but he is via the BBC website so he has a bit of help! George Jemmott (GPS person) might have more to add to this – George: please comment below!

Honeymooning (and Woofing?) Rob Lewis

Just recieved the following email. Rob’s comments in red, my comments in blue:
Hi Andrew
Just been looking at your blog which is very helpful and inspiring. Thanks!
Me and my girlfriend are planning to cycle London to Istanbul in May (for our honeymoon) and are considering route options. Good idea.
I am currently thinking of following route 5 as far as Milan then heading over to Venice, catching a ferry to Istria in Croatia, then cycling down the Dalmation coast. That should be spectacular – I’m jealous already. We will potentially then catch the ferry back over to southern Italy and spend a couple of months there WOOFING. Err… you’ll have to explain that one Rob, sorry. I am assuming you are not a dog. Then heading back over to Greece and cycling to Istanbul potentially whilst doing a bit of island hopping. I’m still jealous. Will probably take about 5 months in total.
Looking at the Eurovelo routes they seem to do a lot of off roading. Interesting comment: I haven’t found anything sufficiently detailed yet to indicate one way or the other. The official definition (well, from Wikipedia) of a Eurovelo route is as follows: “For a route to be part of EuroVelo it must:have no gradient above 6%, be wide enough for two cyclists, have an average of no more than 1,000 motorised vehicles a day, be sealed for 80% of its length”. Even that doesn’t really smack of “off-roading”. I’m assuming that it will be able to cycle the EV5 using a normal touring bike rather than a mountain bike. I won’t be folllowing the bits that are off road (if they exist) as I only have a maximum of six weeks to make my trip. I’d be interested in knowing more about why you think it involves alot of off road cycling.
Was planning to try and stick to minor roads and paved cycle paths (avoiding non paved surfaces).
Do you intend to do something similar? Yes – see comments above.
Is there anywhere you can download these routes on GPS? That would be incredibly helpful! Pity you didn’t join the online chat discussion last Sunday at 8pm! We were discussing GPS. An American guy called George Jemmott is really into the whole GPS thing. He is planning on doing some GPS mapping of parts of the route (from Milan to Calais – very useful for you!) in March / April 2010. Have a look at his website for more information. I haven’t found any GPS details yet. Have you tried looking at the maps on the CTC website? You do have to be a member to look at them. Perhaps I should have a look for you (I joined them last year).
Also is it worth buying the eurovelo route maps? No. As far as I know there isn’t one for EV5. There is a general overview map for the whole EV network which you can also see on the European Cyclists’ Federation website. You can read the description of the Eurovelo 5 route on this website – I copied it from the back of the EV map!
Would be good to hear from you. Hope you found the above useful. Keep in touch. Would love to know how you get on. And what the hell is “Woofing”?
Best wishes
Same to you
Rob
Andrew

George: My Response

Hi George
Thanks for your email – your enthusiasm is infectious!
I’m glad to be in touch with another person who is interested in the Eurovelo 5. My initial enthusiasm was not the Eurovelo 5, simply an interest in cycling and a wish to do something a bit more exciting one summer. I have a friend who has a small house in Puglia, Italy and I visited him and his wife a couple of years ago when they were there for the summer so I put two and two together and came up with the idea of cycling to southern Italy. I then discovered the pilgrimage route – the Via Francigena (I’m not in the least bit religious but it does add an element of history to the whole thing) and via that discovered the European Cycle Network and the route number 5.
Although I cycle every day to work – a round journey of around 12 miles – I had never done ever longer distance cycling over a period of anything more than one day so that is why last summer I cycled from the northern most town of England, Berwick-upon-Tweed to the English midlands, a journey of around 300 miles. I survived and the next step is the big one to Italy in the summer and if you have read the blog, you are probably up to date with my plans.
The blog was initially simply a way of organising my thoughts and plans but then other people found it and it seems to have become one of the main sources of reference for details about the Eurovelo 5. I have been in touch with quite a few people around the World and will be meeting up with a few of them over the next few months to chat about things EV5. One person – Richard – is potentially going to join me for the portion of the trip from Strasbourg to Switzerland which should be interesting.
Your comments are interesting and I’ve had a good look at your own blog. It doesn’t surprise me that you had difficulties following the route. From the information I could find, I have come to the conclusion that the EV5 is not sign posted much and that it piggy-backs upon other national routes, for example down the Rhine or from Calais through to Belgium along the canals or through Italy following either the national routes number 1 or 3. That said, I’m not sure whether I will be able to afford the time to follow slavishly the routes as marked. I did this over the summer when I cycled in England, following the Pennine Cycleway, route number 68. It held me back as it, quite rightly, made a point of keeping me on very minor roads or more often than not on cyclable off road paths. But sometimes, I just needed to get a bit of distance under my belt. I think next summer, I will take a pragmatic approach to the route that I follow. First of all, I don’t want to do it in a shorter period of time as I possibly can. I have six weeks at my disposal so the 80 miles per day distance is an average that I need to hit to make it from one end to the other (with a few rest days built in). I read stories about people cycling the route in 10 days. This is not for me: I want a holiday as well as a physical challenge! Where the Eurovelo 5 route allows me to make good time – and I’m sure it often will – I will follow it. However, there will be times where I deviate and take a minor road to make up distance. I would never get to Brindisi in time if I were to do anything otherwise.
I haven’t yet decided how much of the route planning I will do prior to setting off. I will try work out which places to stay in along the way – I plan on camping so villages / towns with campsites are invaluable each day – and then have a rough route planned on the 1:200,000 maps that I talked about in one of my posts last week. If there are local routes to follow – as mentioned above – I will consider following them and I would imagine that more often than not, I will.
So that is my approach to route planning. You mention GPS. I’ve never used it simply because I’ve never needed it. I’ve seen others use it and have occasionally played with the GPS function on my mobile phone but nothing more than that. I hope this doesn’t make me sound like some kind of Luddite – I love the technology side of the trip (the blog, keeping it updated en route etc…) but I do love maps. I love to pour over them and see not just where I am going and where I have been but also to see what is in the next valley or discover that the train line that I have been following branches off to go through a tunnel in the distance only to reappear in somewhere completely off my route – that kind of thing. However, I would love to work out how I can log my route discretely so that others can see where I am and also so that at a later date I can see exactly where I have been. I think this might be possible via my mobile phone and Google – I’ll have to investigate. Clearly, as mentioned above, the technology to do that involves GPS.
All that said, I’m certainly up for assisting your work in any way I can. I think that the Eurovelo 5 does need someone to create a definitive route: I only wish I had the time to do it myself. If you know of anyone who is happy to pay me to do it, let me know !
Keep in touch and keep me updated with your plans – they sound very exciting!
Best wishes
Andrew

John & Tom Calver: Update

John Calver emailed me a few months ago asking for information about the route I was planning on taking. I emailed back at the time explaining that I hadn’t really got that far. He was planning to cycle from Calais to the Italian border in July this year, and he has! He got in touch a few days ago pointing me in the direction of his blog and online photos which are the most valuable, most relevant bits of information that I have so far managed to glean from the Internet! Thanks John & Tom! I have even emailed John back asking if it would be possible to meet up at some point in the next few months as I would love to hear first hand about their experiences and have all the questions I was asking myself as I read through the blog answered.
The map of their route compared to the EuroVélo 5 route as well as the Via Francigena is up there on the right. Reading through their blog, they seemed to make a lot of use of GPS to actually navigate on the route itself. One to think about.
They also did the ride for charity – something I have yet to decide upon. Their charity is, I think, the Volunteer Poverty Development Children’s School in Cambodia. I think I have got the Internet link correct – John: please correct me if I am wrong!